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		<title>By: Daniel Crandall</title>
		<link>http://stkarnick.com/culture/2010/03/16/stephen-king-of-the-massaged-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-7027</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Crandall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 23:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Andrew, I would not argue with your comment that King&#039;s not Shakespeare or Joyce, his book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Writing-Stephen-King/dp/0743455967/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1275866351&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On Writing&lt;/a&gt; is a book with which any aspiring writer should spend time, and understands the rules of the genre within which he writes. 

My problem is that King is lauded by the literary world as the equivalent to Shakespeare and James Joyce. Literary and academic elites have given King awards they would never think to give Michael Crichton, Dean Koontz, Tom Clancy, or numerous others who are almost as sure a bestseller as is most of King&#039;s work. But since others have pushed King up to the level of Shakespeare, Joyce, Faulkner, O&#039;Connor, etc. then it is only fair to require his prose stand up to this higher standard. And King&#039;s does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Andrew, I would not argue with your comment that King&#8217;s not Shakespeare or Joyce, his book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Writing-Stephen-King/dp/0743455967/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1275866351&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">On Writing</a> is a book with which any aspiring writer should spend time, and understands the rules of the genre within which he writes. </p>
<p>My problem is that King is lauded by the literary world as the equivalent to Shakespeare and James Joyce. Literary and academic elites have given King awards they would never think to give Michael Crichton, Dean Koontz, Tom Clancy, or numerous others who are almost as sure a bestseller as is most of King&#8217;s work. But since others have pushed King up to the level of Shakespeare, Joyce, Faulkner, O&#8217;Connor, etc. then it is only fair to require his prose stand up to this higher standard. And King&#8217;s does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wooding</title>
		<link>http://stkarnick.com/culture/2010/03/16/stephen-king-of-the-massaged-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-7026</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Wooding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason I respect Stephen King as an author is because he understands the rules and requirements of writing but also makes his own mistakes. He isn&#039;t Shakespeare or James Joyce but his autobiography On Writing only proves how much he knows about writing and how much he has to offer to aspiring writers.

To hand pick one or two hackneyed sentences and words is a little unfair considering the majority of sizzling dialogue you can usually find in any number of his stories. If the guy drops an adverb every now and then or a cliche, can&#039;t we overlook it and take a look at his pieces as wholes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I respect Stephen King as an author is because he understands the rules and requirements of writing but also makes his own mistakes. He isn&#8217;t Shakespeare or James Joyce but his autobiography On Writing only proves how much he knows about writing and how much he has to offer to aspiring writers.</p>
<p>To hand pick one or two hackneyed sentences and words is a little unfair considering the majority of sizzling dialogue you can usually find in any number of his stories. If the guy drops an adverb every now and then or a cliche, can&#8217;t we overlook it and take a look at his pieces as wholes.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Crandall</title>
		<link>http://stkarnick.com/culture/2010/03/16/stephen-king-of-the-massaged-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-6336</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Crandall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 02:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t expect anyone who is writing for comics &quot;to write like Shakespeare.&quot; The standard, however, does go up when said writer is feted by the American literary community: &quot;National Book Foundation Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters, [winner of] the O. Henry Award for best short story, and ... compared to Victor Hugo and James Joyce by the &lt;i&gt;New York Times&lt;/i&gt;.&quot; That establishes a very high bar for anyone, in any medium. Could it be that King is winning these awards, as Sam Sacks implies, for some reason other than his scintillating prose?

It is interesting to note that Dean Koontz is just as prolific and just as big a seller as Stephen King (and tackles subjects in a far more serious manner than does King, in my opinion). The number of volumes of these two writers&#039; works are almost identical in any bookstore. But Dean Koontz has never been compared to Hugo &amp; Joyce by &lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt;, nor, to the best of my knowledge, has he been lauded with awards intended for writers of &quot;serious&quot; fiction. He&#039;s won in the genre categories, but I do believe that Koontz award shelf is still missing an O.Henry (in fact, a quick search of Koontz&#039; website leaves me wondering if he&#039;s won any awards at all - besides the most important for a writer, which is hitting the top of the NYTimes bestseller list - 11 times). It also just so happens that Stephen King approaches topics from the secular Left, while Koontz comes from an orthodox Catholic and relatively conservative perspective. 

To summarize: Stephen King - Lefty and lauded with literary awards. Dean Koontz - traditional Catholic and ignored by the literary community. Coincidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t expect anyone who is writing for comics &#8220;to write like Shakespeare.&#8221; The standard, however, does go up when said writer is feted by the American literary community: &#8220;National Book Foundation Medal for Distinguished Contribution to American Letters, [winner of] the O. Henry Award for best short story, and &#8230; compared to Victor Hugo and James Joyce by the <i>New York Times</i>.&#8221; That establishes a very high bar for anyone, in any medium. Could it be that King is winning these awards, as Sam Sacks implies, for some reason other than his scintillating prose?</p>
<p>It is interesting to note that Dean Koontz is just as prolific and just as big a seller as Stephen King (and tackles subjects in a far more serious manner than does King, in my opinion). The number of volumes of these two writers&#8217; works are almost identical in any bookstore. But Dean Koontz has never been compared to Hugo &amp; Joyce by <i>Times</i>, nor, to the best of my knowledge, has he been lauded with awards intended for writers of &#8220;serious&#8221; fiction. He&#8217;s won in the genre categories, but I do believe that Koontz award shelf is still missing an O.Henry (in fact, a quick search of Koontz&#8217; website leaves me wondering if he&#8217;s won any awards at all &#8211; besides the most important for a writer, which is hitting the top of the NYTimes bestseller list &#8211; 11 times). It also just so happens that Stephen King approaches topics from the secular Left, while Koontz comes from an orthodox Catholic and relatively conservative perspective. </p>
<p>To summarize: Stephen King &#8211; Lefty and lauded with literary awards. Dean Koontz &#8211; traditional Catholic and ignored by the literary community. Coincidence?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 01:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly disagree. King is a fine writer and does write brilliant prose (Bag of Bones, Lisey&#039;s Story, etc.). You can&#039;t expect him or anyone else to write like Shakespeare when writing for comics. King&#039;s story in American Vampire is great (at least so far) and has the right &quot;language&quot; as is expected for this kind of thing.
And the negative comments regarding Under the Dome (not King&#039;s best, but a very good novel nevertheless) strikes me as another typical sneer at King and his work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly disagree. King is a fine writer and does write brilliant prose (Bag of Bones, Lisey&#8217;s Story, etc.). You can&#8217;t expect him or anyone else to write like Shakespeare when writing for comics. King&#8217;s story in American Vampire is great (at least so far) and has the right &#8220;language&#8221; as is expected for this kind of thing.<br />
And the negative comments regarding Under the Dome (not King&#8217;s best, but a very good novel nevertheless) strikes me as another typical sneer at King and his work.</p>
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		<title>By: S. T. Karnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. T. Karnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>King has always had a tin ear for prose, in my view, and never wrote attractively. He is a born storyteller, but he is not a writer. The ability to tolerate King&#039;s prose may well be inversely proportional to one&#039;s appreciation for good writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>King has always had a tin ear for prose, in my view, and never wrote attractively. He is a born storyteller, but he is not a writer. The ability to tolerate King&#8217;s prose may well be inversely proportional to one&#8217;s appreciation for good writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Fortunato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fortunato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something terrible happened to Stephen King on his way to literary stardom - critics took him seriously and he, in return, took himself seriously too. You may know the old saying about Victor Hugo being a dangerous madman fancying himself Victor Hugo; it might quite well be updated with King taking Victor&#039;s place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something terrible happened to Stephen King on his way to literary stardom &#8211; critics took him seriously and he, in return, took himself seriously too. You may know the old saying about Victor Hugo being a dangerous madman fancying himself Victor Hugo; it might quite well be updated with King taking Victor&#8217;s place.</p>
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		<dc:creator>An Irish Prayer Blessing &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Daniel Crandall</title>
		<link>http://stkarnick.com/culture/2010/03/16/stephen-king-of-the-massaged-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-6106</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Crandall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, thanks for the comment. I greatly appreciate the contribution, and would be glad to take a look at the first issue. Concerning your book&#039;s artwork, I will tell you that I like its grittiness. I really appreciate that in books telling stories set in the Old West.

In general, in fact, I have a greater appreciation for sequential art that has a &#039;rougher&#039; appearance in contrast to the polished work of most superhero books. I really like Ben Templesmith&#039;s work on &quot;30 Days of Night,&quot; for example.

In fact, I discovered at EC3 a guy named &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thothengine.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daniel Crosier&lt;/a&gt;, who creates panels by sketching then burning the images into wood. The comics are produced by scanning the finished boards, with the wood grain clearly visible on the finished page. I find very unique, giving the page a rougher and, at risk of being cliche myself, organic feel. Unfortunately, Daniel and I didn&#039;t have time to chat, as he was networking among the publishers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, thanks for the comment. I greatly appreciate the contribution, and would be glad to take a look at the first issue. Concerning your book&#8217;s artwork, I will tell you that I like its grittiness. I really appreciate that in books telling stories set in the Old West.</p>
<p>In general, in fact, I have a greater appreciation for sequential art that has a &#8216;rougher&#8217; appearance in contrast to the polished work of most superhero books. I really like Ben Templesmith&#8217;s work on &#8220;30 Days of Night,&#8221; for example.</p>
<p>In fact, I discovered at EC3 a guy named <a href="http://www.thothengine.net/" rel="nofollow">Daniel Crosier</a>, who creates panels by sketching then burning the images into wood. The comics are produced by scanning the finished boards, with the wood grain clearly visible on the finished page. I find very unique, giving the page a rougher and, at risk of being cliche myself, organic feel. Unfortunately, Daniel and I didn&#8217;t have time to chat, as he was networking among the publishers.</p>
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		<title>By: scott snyder</title>
		<link>http://stkarnick.com/culture/2010/03/16/stephen-king-of-the-massaged-cliche/comment-page-1/#comment-6105</link>
		<dc:creator>scott snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys - thanks for mentioning the comic. But I do wish you&#039;d read issue, and not just the preview, before going after Steve - his story really is great here. Either way, love to hear what you think if you want to send me thoughts. Happy to send a copy of #1 along. Take care. S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys &#8211; thanks for mentioning the comic. But I do wish you&#8217;d read issue, and not just the preview, before going after Steve &#8211; his story really is great here. Either way, love to hear what you think if you want to send me thoughts. Happy to send a copy of #1 along. Take care. S</p>
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